Error Listings and rejected edits 2024

[jonasrosland]

I found this faulty listing, that should probably be removed: https://vgcollect.com/item/140105
This is the correct listing: https://vgcollect.com/item/26316

[dhaabi]

I found this faulty listing, that should probably be removed: https://vgcollect.com/item/140105
This is the correct listing: https://vgcollect.com/item/26316

In the future, please report duplicate listings to the dedicated Duplicate Listings topic.
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,12669.0.html

26316 has also been updated to as a result of variant entry 276110.

[wowgek7]

I just now noticed this one

https://vgcollect.com/item/263967

back then I am sure to have amde an error since  I noticed an psn game while i dont list those so I checked and found i accidently created this one eaperently in the past so this one can be deleted

[theodw]

https://vgcollect.com/item/115089

Game, on credits, indicates Ubisoft Montreal as developers.

(just took that screenshot)

[dhaabi]

https://vgcollect.com/item/115089

Game, on credits, indicates Ubisoft Montreal as developers.

(just took that screenshot)

MobyGames is often our site's immediate source of reference when confirming developer and publisher information for most games.

But it's an imperfect system with plenty of discrepancies even from the immediate source (e.g. game data and game packaging.) Third-party source MobyGames credits Ubisoft Entertainment as the developer, as was mentioned in the Admin Comments upon the edit rejection. Meanwhile, the back cover credits Ubisoft as the developer, whereas in-game credits list Ubisoft Montreal.

[theodw]

MobyGames is often our site's immediate source of reference when confirming developer and publisher information for most games.

But it's an imperfect system with plenty of discrepancies even from the immediate source (e.g. game data and game packaging.) Third-party source MobyGames credits Ubisoft Entertainment as the developer, as was mentioned in the Admin Comments upon the edit rejection. Meanwhile, the back cover credits Ubisoft as the developer, whereas in-game credits list Ubisoft Montreal.

So, we stick to MobyGames (third party website), corporate entity (back of box) or credit roll (in-game credits)?

EDIT: Decided to re-check all my Ubi games, and they all have the same text, even in cases where it's widely known they were developed by other studios, like Obsidian in https://vgcollect.com/item/163264 (Fresh scan of the back cover)

[dhaabi]

MobyGames is often our site's immediate source of reference when confirming developer and publisher information for most games.

But it's an imperfect system with plenty of discrepancies even from the immediate source (e.g. game data and game packaging.) Third-party source MobyGames credits Ubisoft Entertainment as the developer, as was mentioned in the Admin Comments upon the edit rejection. Meanwhile, the back cover credits Ubisoft as the developer, whereas in-game credits list Ubisoft Montreal.

So, we stick to MobyGames (third party website), corporate entity (back of box) or credit roll (in-game credits)?

From the Developer and Publisher post of the style guide which also references the Item Images post:

Developer and Publisher
Developer and Publisher fields are created for game releases. The content that goes into these fields can be found on other websites, such as those listed above for "using images from other sources."

using images from other sources
(These are primary examples, not exhaustive)
GameFAQs
MobyGames
PlayStation Datacenter
SegaRetro

I'll also mention that in-game credits will be the last source we should ever take to confirm developer and publisher data. We should not expect anyone—members and staff alike—to go through that kind of effort, and especially so when many of us do not own the items or hardware to play them in question.

Here is a conversation from last year about the topic that you may find worth reading. Note that the final post of mine which posed a question was never addressed.

EDIT: Decided to re-check all my Ubi games, and they all have the same text, even in cases where it's widely known they were developed by other studios, like Obsidian in https://vgcollect.com/item/163264 (Fresh scan of the back cover)

This is a common practice with physically published games. Larger companies will often credit themselves as developer or publisher when they own smaller studios.

[theodw]

Here is a conversation from last year about the topic that you may find worth reading. Note that the final post of mine which posed a question was never addressed.

So, "Stick to third party website, even when proven wrong by actual credits". Got it.

(I'm not trying to be dense, but you're the DB Mod. Whatever you say, it goes.)

[dhaabi]

Here is a conversation from last year about the topic that you may find worth reading. Note that the final post of mine which posed a question was never addressed.

(I'm not trying to be dense, but you're the DB Mod. Whatever you say, it goes.)

Actually, no. What I'm doing is directing you to specific site rules and guidelines which I had no involvement in forming. My job is merely to enforce them.

[sworddude]

Here is a conversation from last year about the topic that you may find worth reading. Note that the final post of mine which posed a question was never addressed.

So, "Stick to third party website, even when proven wrong by actual credits". Got it.

(I'm not trying to be dense, but you're the DB Mod. Whatever you say, it goes.)

The guy is a robot, tough one to crack to alter anything. Any guidelines or rules that exist in this database correct or incorrect. When you try to go against those.

Dhaabi goes ''beep beep boop, Must follow protocol at all costs''

[bobi]

* cries in french-boxed pal games having you guess the combination of [FR] [BE] [LU] [MC] [SW] tags from X years old incomplete and/or incorrect sources *

[…]

* blissfully cuts through this Gordian knot and considers [FR] is a language tag, not a country one *

(may also apply to [DE] for Germany, Austria, Luxembourg and Switzerland, possibly Belgium and Italy too, to [NL] for Netherlands and Belgium, etc.)

[sworddude]

* cries in french-boxed pal games having you guess the combination of [FR] [BE] [LU] [MC] [SW] tags from X years old incomplete and/or incorrect sources *

[…]

* blissfully cuts through this Gordian knot and considers [FR] is a language tag, not a country one *

(may also apply to [DE] for Germany, Austria, Luxembourg and Switzerland, possibly Belgium and Italy too, to [NL] for Netherlands and Belgium, etc.)

I feel your pain, I feel your pain

Had some battles with Dhaabi about that kinda shit. Those codes are bad and incorrect,

[theodw]

(may also apply to [DE] for Germany, Austria, Luxembourg and Switzerland, possibly Belgium and Italy too, to [NL] for Netherlands and Belgium, etc.)

Could be worse. Could be Latin American games. I just end up marking anything ESRB, in Spanish and pre-(27 May 2021) as [MX], cause the long list would be [AR][BO][CL][CO][CR][EC][SV][GT][HN][MX][NI][PA][PE][VE]… cause those are all the countries listed in the game box (https://vgcollect.com/item/165230). And after that date, it would be [AR][BO][CL][CO][CR][DO][EC][SV][GT][HN][NI][PA][PY][PE][UY] (https://vgcollect.com/item/275327). There's a reason why the distributor listings are marked as [LATAM] in their own files.

I gave up on that fight years ago. Everything's Mexican unless it's obviously not (Spanish, ESRB after 27 May 2021).

[dhaabi]

The guy is a robot, tough one to crack to alter anything. Any guidelines or rules that exist in this database correct or incorrect. When you try to go against those.

Dhaabi goes ''beep beep boop, Must follow protocol at all costs''

Beep boop. Not one individual has authority to create or alter rules. Generally, community discussion and a democratic vote determine what sort of amendments are added as guidelines. If you disagree with anything or have suggestions, then refer below to the two topics.

Advanced Style Guide update and feedback thread
Style Guide Update Poll Idea Submissions

Unless someone is needing to ask why a specific edit submission was rejected or is wanting to report an entry error, then refer to those two topics if you have alternatives to propose. Boop. Boop beep boop boop beep.

[dhaabi]

Could be worse. Could be Latin American games. I just end up marking anything ESRB, in Spanish and pre-(27 May 2021) as [MX], cause the long list would be [AR][BO][CL][CO][CR][EC][SV][GT][HN][MX][NI][PA][PE][VE]… cause those are all the countries listed in the game box (https://vgcollect.com/item/165230). And after that date, it would be [AR][BO][CL][CO][CR][DO][EC][SV][GT][HN][NI][PA][PY][PE][UY] (https://vgcollect.com/item/275327). There's a reason why the distributor listings are marked as [LATAM] in their own files.

I gave up on that fight years ago. Everything's Mexican unless it's obviously not (Spanish, ESRB after 27 May 2021).

While the two items you've presented may have been released in those countries, figuring that information is not as straightforward as you're employing the practice. Items vary from one country to the next, and especially when regional distribution and import labels exist (and have been known to be present in some of those countries you've listed) which means, for the purposes of our site, they would be two separate items.

Also, licensing text seems to matter little in providing useful information for us. Take, for instance, these various regional copies of Resident Evil 4 for PlayStation 4. Based on language text, publisher item numbers, and even regional rating systems, we know that they're specific to individual countries. However, there is a lot of overlap in which regions each specific item is "licensed" for sale in, including Russia. Meanwhile, Russia has its own regional item that's clearly indicated.

There isn't any requirement for TLDs to be exhaustive when attaching them to entries. We'd rather them be researched and utilized correctly than otherwise. Entries can always be updated to add more information as it's discovered and confirmed.