genre and sub-genre

[scott]

The more I think about it, the more I like keeping shooting games and shoot 'em ups separate. I just did some modifications to the Google Docs spreadsheet too.

- Moved On-Rails and Light Gun to Shooter Category
- Deleted 1st and 3rd Person from Shoot 'em Ups
- Changed 360 Degree to 360 Degree / Twin Stick

[misterkiki]

Maybe we could keep a general 'scrolling' sub-genre. Axelay has both horizontal and vertical levels .

[htimreimer]

how about

Compilation / Shovelware
Add-on/Expansion pack
Coin-Op Conversion
Anime / Manga

[scott]

Maybe we could keep a general 'scrolling' sub-genre. Axelay has both horizontal and vertical levels .

You know I never thought about that. Also, I'll have to add that game to my shmup collection soon!

how about

Compilation / Shovelware
Add-on/Expansion pack
Coin-Op Conversion
Anime / Manga

Shovelware wouldn't be considered a genre, it's more of a term used to describe generic budget titles, usually with poor production values. Those games still have their own genres, and should be listed as such. And if they are in a combo pack, then they should be listed as a compilation.

Add-Ons and Expansions aren't genres, they are a type of release, the expansion themselves have the same genre as the original game. For example, using our current list; Diablo II is an Action / Hack 'n Slash. So it's expansion pack, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction, would also be listed under Action / Hack 'n Slash.

Coin-Op Conversions should prolly have their own listing alongside dedicated cabinets, since some arcade games were only released as conversion kits, rather than in their own cab.

And I'm not sure what you mean by Anime / Manga. For example, games like Fullmetal Alchemist: Dual Sympathy, Naruto: Ninja Council, Jump Super Stars and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex are all based on anime and manga, but they are all completely different genres.

[foxhack]

... those four examples are lifted straight from MobyGames. I should know. I never understood what was up with that Anime / Manga category.

Anyway, Compilations, and Add-Ons or Expansions should be a subgenre of "Official Release" in Release Type. We have stuff like http://vgcollect.com/item/7902 already so it's already happening in consoles.

[htimreimer]

how about

Hentai/Porn/Adult/Eroge
Roguelike
MUD (Multi-User Dungeon,Multi-User Dimension,Multi-User Domain)
Dating sim
Visual novel
FMV (Full motion video games)
Life simulation
Construction and management simulation (Business simulation,City building,Government simulation)
Christian video games
Art game
Advergame ( for games like Yo! Noid,Sneak King and M.C. Kids  )

[foxhack]

I posted this before the wipe:

We need a new genre: Card games. Stuff like poker, collectible card games, etc. There are lots of games that fall under that, mostly gambling, but Magic The Gathering and the Yu-Gi-Oh games count.

[scott]

KA-BUMP!

Lets knock this out. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am9xDHaT_ggLdFVtVnVwSWhPcGVscVJpZE1VSG5LSGc&authkey=CO294-EC&hl=en&authkey=CO294-EC#gid=0

[htimreimer]

KA-BUMP!

Lets knock this out. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am9xDHaT_ggLdFVtVnVwSWhPcGVscVJpZE1VSG5LSGc&authkey=CO294-EC&hl=en&authkey=CO294-EC#gid=0

five more sub genres needs to added to the spreadsheet

mini game collection
interactive movie
science
religion
golf

[ko1ru]

Thanks for the bump Scott!

Just my two cents: I think we should keep it as simple as possible (ex. "Shooter"), with the possibility of adding a sub-genre after a main genre entry.  The only thing is, you don't want to over-complicate sub-genres...  My vote is to keep "Racing" just that -- without sub-genres.  Same with "Sports" and "Education".  "Fighting" should only have maybe "2D" and "3D" as sub-genres.  *shrug*  I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should keep things as easy as possible, without any room for people to jack entries' genres up.

I do still think we need 3rd Person Shooter as a genre/sub-genre, though. 

[soera]

I agree it should remain simple.

[disgaeniac]

I agree it should remain simple.

Same here!

A few questions/clarifications, though:

I'm not much of a Shooter player or fan, but I don't see "Bullet-Hell" mentioned in the sub-genres...is that because it falls under one of the other (already there) sub-genres?

AFAIK, there's not many other similar games, but, where would something like Koudelka (RPG + Survival-Horror fall)?

Another question for me would be what distinguishes your "Action RPG's" from your "Real-Time RPG's"?

Lastly, I very strongly believe that there will be a definite need for a BIG addition to the "Style-Guide", or, IMHO, even better would be an entirely separate & independant *STICKY* topic/thread; clearly stating what criteria is to be used when entering/categorizing games...

[scott]

I'd like it to be as simple as possible too. It seems like the biggest issue w/ genres is the fact that multiple genres over lap so much now. I'm almost thinking that we'll need to have multiple inputs for multiple genre listings on the game pages to help cover it.

Also, as you can see by that docs file, it's really a bunch of brainstorming and adding/merging. If we can come up with a good and simple system for designating genres that would be awesome.

[tpugmire]

So is this finally happening?  One other sub-genre I thought of was something like Track & Field under Sports.

[scott]

I think it is. I'd like to get all the genre stuff and the devs/pubs stuff figured out soon so we can finally iron out the personal stats pages. But like everyone else has said, it'd be nice if the genres/subs-genres were simple and easy.