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COD only 720p on XBOX1
« on: October 30, 2013, 08:05:45 pm »
COD only 720p on XBOX1 and 1080P on PS4
what do you guys make of this?

is it because the developers are not used to the architecture of the Xbox1.
or is it more like the xbox1's hardware is not up to the standard required to do 1080p 60fps. (if this is the case then xbox1 is in a whole loads of trouble if it cant handle a launch title)

what do you think?

insektmute

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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 11:42:44 pm »
Both of them are based on the same AMD Jaguar architecture, with relatively minor differences between them overall, and any developer or publisher claiming they're "not used" to this kind of architecture is lying through their teeth; it's standard x86-based stuff, and virtually every programmer on the planet knows their way around that. The main benefits are that the GPU and CPU are on the same chip, and the overall architecture being oriented toward low cost, low power consumption, and low heat. Whether the games being developed are natively 64-bit is anyone's guess, but both systems are capable of it.

That said, the XBox One has some deliberate, inborn deficiencies that were implemented in order to lower the cost of the console, since the inclusion of stuff like Kinect drives the price a bit higher than the PS4 as it is, and matching it spec-for-spec would push the cost up into a less marketable range than it's already sitting. They've already gone on record with stating, in PR speak, that some games will be running at lower resolution - the spin being that this is a benefit that will allow for better performance. It's technically true, but overlooks all the associated negatives, and is hugely misleading to people who don't understand how all this works.

Shorter version: They took low cost hardware, made it even cheaper by stripping some shit out in order to justify the cost of a big camera, and tried to excuse it by claiming that running games at a sub-HD resolution that isn't the native resolution of any modern HDTV is somehow a competitive advantage.

Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 07:20:24 am »
thank you
thats what i figured it was (obviously not in as much detail ;) )
does this mean titanfall will be 720p

insektmute

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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 11:25:31 am »
thank you
thats what i figured it was (obviously not in as much detail ;) )
does this mean titanfall will be 720p

Depends on the developers. It's entirely possible for people to create 1080p games, but shadow quality, antialiasing, etc has a big impact on framerate. I don't know offhand if they're shooting for 30fps or 60fps, but most companies (and gamers) want games at 60.

For comparison, a decently equipped PC will do anywhere from 60-80fps average, if not higher, even on fairly demanding games.

Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 11:52:08 am »
thank you
thats what i figured it was (obviously not in as much detail ;) )
does this mean titanfall will be 720p

Depends on the developers. It's entirely possible for people to create 1080p games, but shadow quality, antialiasing, etc has a big impact on framerate. I don't know offhand if they're shooting for 30fps or 60fps, but most companies (and gamers) want games at 60.

For comparison, a decently equipped PC will do anywhere from 60-80fps average, if not higher, even on fairly demanding games.

60 is what they are aiming for.
killzone is only 30fps and the fans of that game are not impressed (from what i've read)

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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2013, 11:56:53 am »
Not for nothing -but- I don't think that there's any 2 things that I care less about thanCoD + the X-Bone  :P
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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 01:54:41 pm »
Not for nothing -but- I don't think that there's any 2 things that I care less about thanCoD + the X-Bone  :P
i know but its news

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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 02:19:56 pm »
Not for nothing -but- I don't think that there's any 2 things that I care less about thanCoD + the X-Bone  :P
i know but its news

true...
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insektmute

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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 10:10:43 pm »
I'm not much interested in COD or the Xbone, but I do get annoyed at how bad the average gaming site is when it comes to touching anything remotely technical. Loads of half-truths, ambiguous commentary, reposted press releases, and very little in the way of actual understanding what they're even talking about.

So I'll run across posts from these so-called journalists occasionally, and half the time, it's just regurgitated quips from PR idiots, community managers, or the occasional exec, like "these architectures are a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market." Every single PC gamer on the planet who's built a computer within the last few years know this is a total fabrication that has no basis in reality. A considerably larger number of people will just reguritate that kind of nonsense like a crappy mime, and it won't dawn on any of them that what they're saying is utter nonsense.

I usually can't resist jumping in to clarify things like this, partially because I love computer hardware, but also because it'd be a very positive step forward if gamers were collectively more educated, and better equipped to call companies out for being deceptive.

(The above quote came from Rajat Taneja, CTO at EA, and a former MS exec - http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130522214715-10904058-the-technology-behind-xbox-one. LinkedIn, it should be noted, is actually a lead generation company.)

Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 05:15:08 pm »
If some of the rumors are to believed, MS's dev tools are not currently up to par with Sonys. CoD isn't pushing anything fancy with its old ass engine so it leaves me to believe its SDK maturity and platform specific nuances as the XOne is not as close to a PC as the PS4 is. BF4 is also 720p, but its doing far more than CoD from a technical standpoint.


I watched this earlier and while not CoD it was still impressive.

http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield-4/showdown

scott

Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 05:31:33 pm »
Personally, I don't think that COD being reportedly only 720p is the benchmark to go on. I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't make a console in the age of fancy visuals and decide to limit the video output short of full 1080p. The console wars being what it is, each side latches onto snippets of information to use as ammo. But if they are true and the Xbox One can't produce full HD visuals, there are going to be a lot of sad Microsoft fans.

But, seeing the reaction the Wii got for it's complete lack of HD capabilities. I don't think Microsoft would limit their new toy in the graphics department. But then again, maybe the choice to go to 720p had something to do with the original decision to go digital and save space?

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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 05:39:08 pm »
Personally, I don't think that COD being reportedly only 720p is the benchmark to go on. I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't make a console in the age of fancy visuals and decide to limit the video output short of full 1080p. The console wars being what it is, each side latches onto snippets of information to use as ammo. But if they are true and the Xbox One can't produce full HD visuals, there are going to be a lot of sad Microsoft fans.

But, seeing the reaction the Wii got for it's complete lack of HD capabilities. I don't think Microsoft would limit their new toy in the graphics department. But then again, maybe the choice to go to 720p had something to do with the original decision to go digital and save space?

I never even considered that... After looking at killzone's digital download of 50GB+ I could see that definitely taken into consideration. Maybe MS asked devs to target a specific resolution much like they did with the 360.

Resolution doesn't make a good game. It makes a prettier game(sometimes) sure, but thats not a deal breaker in my book. If it was I wouldn't be able to stomach classic gaming. A steady framerate is more of what I look for in newer titles.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2013, 05:41:55 pm by pceslayer »

scott

Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2013, 05:50:22 pm »
Resolution doesn't make a good game. It makes a prettier game(sometimes) sure, but thats not a deal breaker in my book. If it was I wouldn't be able to stomach classic gaming. A steady framerate is more of what I look for in newer titles.

Right, once I played through the whole of Half-Life: Blue Shift and didn't realize I was the lowest resolution setting. Having never played it when it was new I just thought the game hadn't aged well. Then I set it to max resolution and was like, whoa this game still looks pretty sexy! (That was like 6 years ago).
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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2013, 08:03:17 pm »
Resolution doesn't make a good game. It makes a prettier game(sometimes) sure, but thats not a deal breaker in my book. If it was I wouldn't be able to stomach classic gaming. A steady framerate is more of what I look for in newer titles.

I hear the gameplay vs. graphics argument all the time, but I've always considered this to be a superfluous discussion. They're different facets of a video game, and debating between them is like arguing whether good music or good controls are more important. Every game is lacking in one way or another, but generally speaking, it's preferable if developers try to put their best foot forward across the board. If a game has shitty graphics, that doesn't mean it's a bad game... it just means it has shitty graphics.

Bayonetta is a great example. Fantastic controls, looks great (on 360, anyway), tons of fun... but GAHH, the music is absolutely horrific. It doesn't make the game bad, per se, but the overall experience would've been improved a bit if the music weren't so cringe-inducing.

With multiplatform games though, if you're comparing two versions of the same thing, there's absolutely no reason to overlook the fact that the resolution has been chopped down substantially in order to achieve comparable performance. It's possible that some people would prefer one controller over another, or just want to consolidate as many games as they can on one system, but neither of those things have to do with anything inherent to the game itself.

« Last Edit: November 02, 2013, 08:05:04 pm by insektmute »

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Re: COD only 720p on XBOX1
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2013, 06:18:15 am »
I feel like this generation will measure standards by resolution and frame rate combos a lot....  It seems to be the hot key point lately that everyone wants to debate....  Don't get me wrong, I want more pixels crammed on my screen and a refresh rate that my eyes can't keep up with, but I was hoping to find more a refreshing capability measuring this generation as oppose to regurgitated vitriolic response for the par....