Error Listings and rejected edits 2024

[bobi]

While the two items you've presented may have been released in those countries, figuring that information is not as straightforward as you're employing the practice. Items vary from one country to the next, and especially when regional distribution and import labels exist (and have been known to be present in some of those countries you've listed) which means, for the purposes of our site, they would be two separate items.

Also, licensing text seems to matter little in providing useful information for us. Take, for instance, these various regional copies of Resident Evil 4 for PlayStation 4. Based on language text, publisher item numbers, and even regional rating systems, we know that they're specific to individual countries. However, there is a lot of overlap in which regions each specific item is "licensed" for sale in, including Russia. Meanwhile, Russia has its own regional item that's clearly indicated.

There isn't any requirement for TLDs to be exhaustive when attaching them to entries. We'd rather them be researched and utilized correctly than otherwise. Entries can always be updated to add more information as it's discovered and confirmed.

Whereas using ISO 639 would be easy (easier?), straightforward, explicit as using only intrisic information (available on the item itself), and reduce significantly the length of such entries, simplifying [AR][BO][CL][CO][CR][EC][SV][GT][HN][MX][NI][PA][PE][VE][…] with [ES], while actually making this sole information both correct and complete in what distinguish such items from the “default” ones (generally US for NA, UK for Europe, etc.) of the same region.

Similarly [EN] instead of [US][CA] / [UK][IR][MT][…]

Can that actually be discussed? If so, how and where?

[dhaabi]

Whereas using ISO 639 would be easy (easier?), straightforward, explicit as using only intrisic information (available on the item itself), and reduce significantly the length of such entries, simplifying [AR][BO][CL][CO][CR][EC][SV][GT][HN][MX][NI][PA][PE][VE][…] with [ES], while actually making this sole information both correct and complete in what distinguish such items from the “default” ones (generally US for NA, UK for Europe, etc.) of the same region.

Similarly [EN] instead of [US][CA] / [UK][IR][MT][…]

Can that actually be discussed? If so, how and where?

Again, here are specific topics which I proposed yesterday.

Not one individual has authority to create or alter rules. Generally, community discussion and a democratic vote determine what sort of amendments are added as guidelines. If you disagree with anything or have suggestions, then refer below to the two topics.

Advanced Style Guide update and feedback thread
Style Guide Update Poll Idea Submissions

Unless someone is needing to ask why a specific edit submission was rejected or is wanting to report an entry error, then refer to those two topics if you have alternatives to propose.

But let me also reference the very same conversation we've already had about this very subject after you've raised concerns, in this very forum topic, during this very year.

- Consider the English language. What sort of tag are you implying be given to it? Be aware that [EN] is not a TLD.

There is no need to rehash this conversation, we already have the format for identifying language. It is the standard ISO-639+ISO-3166 locale combination. We just do not use it on the site anywhere as it does not actually help in regards to making the site easier to use. They would be used if we were to attach language information to an entry, either privately (as a var) or publicly likely would be a hidden value that would load a different resource like an image to represent the value. This particular format would allow separation between locales, such as en-US vs en-GB, or for French there are fr-CA, fr-FR, fr-BE or fr-CH...

Use of TLD is not ideal and is only required based on how the site is designed.

Also, current categories or how they appear are also due to the original design of the site which has not changed. Remember that the site was not originally designed for the amount of items we currently cover. A different design to the site could eliminate the way categories are viewed and could also eliminate the usage of TLDs (or even descriptors) in item titles. Until something like that happens, we will continue to use the TLD and descriptors the way we do now.

Keep in mind that there are a lot of database entry rules that only exist due to the limitations of the site. Instead of us side-stepping to another imperfect system, we should wait until development updates take place.

[tripredacus]

Re original conversation for Watch Dogs 2 on Xbone
https://vgcollect.com/item/115089

This item exists in a physical games category, so the entry is for the physical product. Publisher should be reflective of that. The game itself (the game data) is not part of the entry and any information about the game data would be put into description. The game data also has an entry, which is here: https://vgcollect.com/item/202909

So for this instance, the physical game entry would have Ubisoft but the game data entry would have Ubisoft Montreal. It looks like those entries already are like this.

[theodw]

Whereas using ISO 639 would be easy (easier?), straightforward, explicit as using only intrisic information (available on the item itself), and reduce significantly the length of such entries, simplifying [AR][BO][CL][CO][CR][EC][SV][GT][HN][MX][NI][PA][PE][VE][…] with [ES], while actually making this sole information both correct and complete in what distinguish such items from the “default” ones (generally US for NA, UK for Europe, etc.) of the same region.

Coming from a Spanish speaking country, it can't be realistically applied. [ES] refers specifically to Spain (es-ES), and even thought they're mostly interchangeable, games that come in Castilian Spanish (es-ES) tend not to do well in Latin America (es-419), and vice-versa. Metal Gear Solid was never oficially released in Spanish for Latin America, because the only dub was made for Spain, with a very thick Castilian accent, while the Spanish release of Halo 2, with a very Mexican dub, turned into a laughing stock in Spain.

There's also the big line of code of countries in ISO 639, but that can't be realistically replaced for the UN M49 codes, because Mexico and Brazil use different rating standards.

Spanish-speaking region releases are a big pain to adapt to the way the website works now.

[coffeejits]

The A2600 [NA] entry for Labyrinth, https://vgcollect.com/item/102574, has the following issues:

1.) the cartridge image is for the originally discovered 1982 prototype on cassette.  Only the cassette was discovered.  No box or manual was made.  Labyrinth was ultimately released as Escape from the Mindmaster, https://vgcollect.com/item/17870

2.) the front box image is for the CD reproduction released at the Austin Gaming Expo on July 26, 2003.

A discussion of its discovery and reproduction release can be found here: https://forums.atariage.com/topic/30154-starpath-labyrinth-prototype-revealed/

The thread also provides pictures of the original discovery and the new reproduction packaging.

I would like to add that AtariProtos.com also has a picture of a Labyrinth prototype on a clear cassette which is different than the one discussed/discovered in the AtariAge thread.  Since there is no discussion on its discovery, the origin of this version is unclear.  A picture of this version can be found here, https://www.atariprotos.com/2600/software/escape/labyrinth.htm

[dhaabi]

The A2600 [NA] entry for Labyrinth

Front art has been removed and existing cartridge art has been transferred to the front art slot.

[smesgr]

New Value:    mid/late 1980s Activison rerelease cartridge item number: EIX-004-04I manual item number: I-004-03
Reason:    Action Not Allowed. Please see the VGCollect Style Guide or visit the Forums to clear up any listing questions.
Admin comments: Re-submit without vague release date information.

no I will not do that -  I have something better to do than track all my changes to pick stuff up which was recarded because some minor detail doen't fit your needs. If you think something needs to be improved please do it youself.

[dhaabi]

New Value:    mid/late 1980s Activison rerelease cartridge item number: EIX-004-04I manual item number: I-004-03
Reason:    Action Not Allowed. Please see the VGCollect Style Guide or visit the Forums to clear up any listing questions.
Admin comments: Re-submit without vague release date information.

no I will not do that -  I have something better to do than track all my changes to pick stuff up which was recarded because some minor detail doen't fit your needs. If you think something needs to be improved please do it youself.

There are dedicated Release Date fields, so any information relating to it should be submitted there; if it's unknown, then leave it blank.. Information pertaining to any dedicated field shouldn't be repeated in the Description field unless there is a specific reason to clarify it, such as with variant releases. Submitting unconfirmed information such as when something may have been released shouldn't ever be done.

Also, another point worth mentioning is that, while edit rejections are chiefly done to prevent incorrect data from being submitted, they also exist as a means to better explain rules so members—especially ones who regularly contribute data like yourself—can learn from mistakes.

I will not be making any changes to the entry.

[fazerco]

https://vgcollect.com/item/266078

Editted the pegi and front because those we not right. Pegi is 12.

[SilverBow]

ESRB E10+-M rating is not available for selection.
https://vgcollect.com/item/232256

[bizzgeburt]

My edit of the release month (August) for the following item was rejected:

https://vgcollect.com/item/8519

Stating that this information was nowhere to be found at the usual sources like segaretro etc....

I found this information on page 33 of the german Sega Magazin, Issue september '95, stating "Release: August". It's found at the bottom right corner of the page in a red Info/ranking box.

Pls check for yourself:
https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:SegaMagazin_DE_22.pdf&page=33

Hope this works out

[dhaabi]

ESRB E10+-M rating is not available for selection.
https://vgcollect.com/item/232256

ESRB - E10+-M (US / Canada) has been added to the Ratings drop-down menu, although a corresponding image has not been added yet.

[dhaabi]

My edit of the release month (August) for the following item was rejected:

https://vgcollect.com/item/8519

Appreciate the clarification. If the edit information is submitted once more, it will be approved.

[bizzgeburt]

Hello again,

my release-date edit for the following item was rejected:
https://vgcollect.com/item/8702

referring to segaretros UK-release date May 94 (EU release date 1995)

... according to german Sega Magazin, Issue September 1995, Page 84, the release (at least in Germany) was July that year:
https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:SegaMagazin_DE_22.pdf&page=84

pls check this yourself and tell me what entry might be correct here - Thanks a ton!! 

Greetings

Bizz

[dhaabi]

my release-date edit for the following item was rejected:
https://vgcollect.com/item/8702

referring to segaretros UK-release date May 94 (EU release date 1995)

... according to german Sega Magazin, Issue September 1995, Page 84, the release (at least in Germany) was July that year:
https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:SegaMagazin_DE_22.pdf&page=84

Is there any reason to believe there is a regional variant specific to Germany for Wizard Pinball which this information is about? MobyGames lists 1995 for a UK release date, as well. So unless there isn't a German-specific release and instead only a broad European release, then July 1995 should be fine to submit. If we can't confirm the possibility of other regional variant items including from Germany, then there's nothing wrong with leaving the Release Date fields blank.

I went to the source that Sega Retro's May 1994 information cites, but I can find no actual information validating it where it's supposed to be found on page 10.